Monthly Archive for July, 2009

Busy busy busy..

written by Disgruntled from Disgruntled

Not too many updates recently but this is not through lack of trying. I've managed to sit down a few times and start typing but there is always something more important going on....

Anyway, work has been a mixture of boredom, repetition and an all out adrenalin high. I won't go into details but the best 10 minutes of my career, so far, came and went and I'm still in one piece. Needless to say bad guys were taken away and the lads and I had a beer the next day to celebrate.... cool and exciting stuff.

Stuff which I would be a million miles away if I hadn't have moved.

The original post can be found http://disgruntledcop.blogspot.com/2009/07/busy-busy-busy.html

Good News

written by 200 from 200 Weeks

News released last week shows that there are now more police officers than there have been at any time in history.

In March this year numbers in England & Wales reached 143,770, almost 2,000 more than a year prior to that. Doubtless the Labour Party will be trumpeting the fact that there are 15,000 more officers now than there were in 1997, when they came to power.

What they won’t tell you is how many officers are available to deal with the frontline day-to-day nuts & bolts policing. i.e. the service the public cries out for, seeing a copper on their doorstep within a couple of hours of asking for one. On a personal note I have seen no real evidence that there are more frontline officers parading for a shift in the local town. I see jobs on my box (PC) which have not been resourced for 3 days or more & day after day when the calls for resourcing outstrip the speed at which they can be dealt with.

What you also won’t see in the headlines this week & what the politicians will somehow fail to mention is the amount of forces who have a severe budget deficit & are being forced to cut many millions off their budgets in the next 3 or so years. This is already resulting in posts being combined or simply done away with – most often in the civilian support roles – but there will be, I’m sure, forces whose officer numbers will certainly not increase over the next 3 years, some will decrease.

The original post can be found http://200weeks.police999.com/archives/1776

Winging it.

written by Constable Confused.com from Constableconfused.com


It is not often that I find myself stuck in a situation where there is apparently no resolution. I found myself in such a situation on Sunday.

A bit of history, I was called two weeks ago to an establishment that assists people who have conditions that require some counselling in order for themselves to determine their route in life. I attended the establishment after one of their residents made a really good effort of hanging himself. He pulled the cord from the rear of his television and somehow using the window nearly completed the job. Fortunately staff intervened and his attempt was foiled.
He was assessed by the duty crisis team and once the effects of alcohol had worn off they deemed his demeanour to not be one of someone likely to harm himself.
His background, well his father committed suicide approximately two years ago once the onset of his condition started taking over his life. My subject, let’s call him X is twenty something years old and has also been diagnosed with the condition. His sister also has the condition but she has come to terms with it.
His condition is Huntington’s disease. I had heard of it previously but didn’t know what it was. X has seen his father deteriorate and take his own life. He knows the symptoms and the end result. He doesn’t want to end up like his dad but due to the hereditary nature of the disease he IS going to.
Anyway, Sunday, he receives a family visit which doesn’t go well. Following that he expresses his desire to end his life again and wants to go out. Staff have seen a pattern emerging in his behaviour. He talks about positive and negative things whilst sober, once he has had a drink he doesn’t talk but tries to take his own life. He has admitted that it is only after he has been drinking the suicide attempts start and last Sunday he wanted to go drinking. The staff don’t have the powers necessary to detain him but understandably they are doing everything they can not to let him go out. The situation escalates and the verbal arguments become verbal threats from X. The duty manager left with no options and fearing for the safety of X and his staff calls the police. He states that he wants the male detained under S.136.
A sceptical Constableconfused arrives and after a quick background from staff goes to speak to X. He finds X sitting in a chair smoking, very calm, very collected and talking a lot of sense. Definitely not a 136 case. He tells me all about his problems in a calm, controlled and informed matter and that he is a voluntary patient and as such wants to leave. When asked what his intentions are he tells me he is going to get drunk and try to kill himself for the reasons outlined above. His reasoning can’t be faulted; he is in control of himself and provides what is really quite a good reason for ending his life. He apologises to staff and to me for wasting our time but once again expresses his desire to leave and get drunk. I have no reason to detain him but now have a duty of care. If I let him walk and he does the deed how much poo will I be in. I manage to speak on the telephone to one of the CPN’s who last saw him on Friday and they state he is in no way mentally disturbed, confused about which life choice to take certainly but not in need of mental health care. He is starting to become irate now and once again offers violence if he is not allowed to leave. I then lock him up on the tenuous grounds of preventing a breach of the peace. That way he won’t be drinking anyway.
The trip to custody follows with me justifying the grounds for the arrest in my head all the way. I relate the circumstances to the custody sergeant who looks at me with some strange looks before authorising detention for a “BOP”. He knows me and my methods so will no doubt ask me for a full update once the “prisoner” goes for processing. I subsequently provide the full background to him and the Inspector who has now turned up and acknowledge that my arrest is probably unlawful but what else could I do? The Inspector sums it up nicely by saying yes it is unlawful and he may get paid a couple of thousand if he pursues the matter but I can’t be criticised for my actions. My actions I perceived were entirely in the best interests of X.
The next problem, how do we get out of this mess? He is clearly not a matter for the courts but also can’t languish in a cell for too long. The “home” is no longer interested stating that they will have no network available until 9 a.m. the next morning to progress this. It is just after 6 p.m. now so they are no help. In effect they have washed their hands of him for the night. I visit the crisis team in Notgreatside County Hospital who state that they are aware of X and believe that he will one day kill himself but he is undecided at the moment. Great help. I ask them for assistance but they say there is nothing they can do. Tick Tock goes the custody clock.
My mobile rings and it is custody stating that the male has been on the intercom apologising for his actions and asking if he can go back. He states that he is now at what he perceived to be rock bottom and sees the home as a much better option. He is seen by the FME and she spends over an hour talking with him. At the end she recommends he be released once she has a stern word with the home. This is duly done and X gets changed from his safety gown back into his normal clothes.
He is refused charge for the BOP and I take him back. On the way he is a different character, he has taken a shine to the doctor and asks which practice she is with. He talks about remaining in Notgreatside and resuming his college studies which were interrupted several years ago.
I drop him back at the home and hand him over to staff, as he entered he turned and looked at me nodding before jokingly (I hope) says “SAME TIME NEXT WEEK”? I drive away wondering what the hell has happened during the last few hours. My conclusion was that there are supposedly partner agencies everywhere that are there to assist during incidents such as these but at 6 p.m. on a Sunday night there really isn’t anyone. I winged it, playing it by ear. I was backed up by Sgt’s and the Inspector and also the FME. Between us we resolved a situation that we really had no part in but were the first to get called.
How many similar situations do you find yourselves in? The first port of call for many people even though we shouldn’t be.

By the way, did you know it is not an offence to commit suicide but if you try and fail, it then becomes one. Apparently!

The original post can be found http://constableconfused.blogspot.com/2009/07/winging-it.html

The Terrible Teens

written by 200 from 200 Weeks

Another example of how society is riven with scum.

A woman, her husband & two young children were out watching the latest Harry Potter movie in Leeds. The lady had cause to ask a group of teenagers to be quiet.

The group verbally abused the family on their way out of the cinema. Nothing particularly unusual there, sadly.

The family then went for a meal in a nearby restaurant. During the meal, two of the group from the cinema came into the restaurant & threw bleach over the woman’s head & back. She was treated at hospital for burns.

Being told to stop talking in a cinema & being abusive in return is one thing, but what have we come to when groups of teenagers think it entirely acceptable to go off, locate a weapon & attack a woman while she is eating in a restaurant with her young family risking permanent injury, for what?

Call me old fashioned but isn’t this the kind of thing which is indicative of a society who for some god-knows-what reason decided that people should no longer have to face consequences for their actions?

They often say that society gets the police force it deserves. I sometimes wonder whether society gets the teenagers it deserves.

The original post can be found http://200weeks.police999.com/archives/1803

More Arse about Face

written by 200 from 200 Weeks

As well as blogging every single day I’ve been instrumental in others blogging lately, Hero Police & Tough Judges (a reasonably anti-police blog) was struck to write a post this month based on a comment I made on his website & Twining was so moved to post something in regards to yesterday’s post about Pc Grewel.

Bless Twining, as with some posts over there I read them & I’m still not entirely sure what he’s saying. I’ve read this or two or three times, I think he’s putting a view in support of the officer who has taken the Met to tribunal for compensation & won (partly).

I think Twining is saying that you shouldn’t compare having the piss ripped out of a black person with having an arm blown off in a war zone. Yep, they are certainly different kettles of fish but at the end of the day you start off with a perceived wrong and end up with money to put some right to that wrong. It is therefore entirely probably that people will draw parallels & see that if having your feelings hurt is worth some financial compensation, having a leg blown off should have compensation commensurate with the damage done on a similar scale. Currently, this does not seem to be the case in modern Britain.

I’ve also had some further random thoughts on this level of money-grabbing (and yes, I do see such cases as an easy way for some people to make cash.)

There is no personable responsibility, we all know this, in modern Britain. So if you go for a job which you cannot cope with, the answer is to sue the employer for failing to protect you against your own inability to extend yourself to the requirements of the job. Not everyone can cope with every job or task, yet our blind slavishness to the ideal of equality fails to recognise that actually, we are not all equal. I cannot jump very high. I do not demand that I be given a job to jump over tall objects when there are sufficient people with jumping skills to do the job.

I’m assuming the ‘perpetrators’ in PC Grewel’s case were white. I’d want to know how many black, Asian or other ethnic minority students have ever been in these people’s charge & how long they have been doing the job. If they are racist & religionist, why hasn’t this come to light before now? Surely a racist is a racist & will behave in the alleged way, how have they been hiding it before PC Grewel came on the scene?

It’s interesting to note that the officer brought 17 separate charges against the Met, all but two were dismissed.  You’d wonder at the efficacy of bringing a criminal trial with a result of 15 not guiltys & 2 guiltys. The tribunal found she was subjected to unlawful racial victimisation when she was told others laughed at her behaviour during training. Sorry, but a 5 figure compensation sum for being told others laughed at her is just crazy. It might not be the kindest behaviour but surely asking them to stop would be a whole lot cheaper than a court case & thousands of pounds compensation.

The officer went on to make a complaint at a different training centre against different staff, which formed part of her case at tribunal.

The money paid to the officer does not come from the Metropolitan Police, it comes from the tax-payers of London. If she gets £10,000 that’s £10,000  extra the tax payers will have to find, or £10,000 less value they will get for their hard-earned tax dollars. Wouldn’t it be a wonderful gesture if the recipient said, actually, it’s not about the money & gave it back to London’s tax-payers?

I once worked with an Asian lad. He was fucking useless. How the hell he got through the interview I’ll never know. He could not write a legible English paragraph, he had no bottle & he did not learn despite being taught several times by different people. He was not going to make a copper as long as he had a hole in his arse.

While several white officers in the same division were asked to leave under the failing to make the required standard, this officer was transferred to another division & given further chances, where he was found to be just as useless. Eventually he was asked to resign. He took the force to an industrial tribunal on the grounds of racial discrimination. Fortunately, the tribunal agreed that he was sacked because he was rubbish not because he was Asian.

It cuts both ways. There are some racist officers, there are also some Black & Asian officers who do not deserve free cash during the course of their employment.

The original post can be found http://200weeks.police999.com/archives/1797

Islam? Yes. Gay? Yes. British? No, Oh, OK then.

written by inspectorgadget from POLICE INSPECTOR BLOG


Female officers in Avon & Somerset are issued headscarves to wear when they have to deal with British Muslims.

Gay officers can wear their uniform during the Gay Pride marches.

Metropolitan Police officers are “allowed” to wear the Union Flag as an “exception”.

Sometimes, real events show the public that the things we say about how ludicrous the world of UK policing is, are true. And by the way, the real reason they do not like officers wearing the Union Flag has nothing to do with the war. It is because they are terrified of being accused of being racist by using our flag in our own Country. There. I said it.

Gadget Note: For the record, I absolutely support the head scarves and the Gay Pride decision.  We need to make friends in both communities (even if they strongly object to each others views on, well, each other). If such easy and shallow tactics do the job; that’s fine.

The original post can be found http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/islam-yes-gay-yes-british-no-oh-ok-then/

The case of PC Grewal

written by Twining from THE TWINING CHRONICLES - A BRITISH POLICE NEWS FEED


Please read this post with the good intent in which it is written. 200 weeks, who I quite like, has written about the case of PC Grewal in the Met where she suffered alleged racial and religious discrimination and where she has been awarded a five figure sum for hurt to feelings. This is not a dig at 200.  One, the assault on armed service staff, is physical, and nasty; the other is emotional, you can’t see, but you may feel it. We can talk about PC Grewal’s case in particular. Basically as we understand, one of the trainers was not objective, therefore the argument is, were they taking the pee? For how long? And why? Were other class mates  encouraged to take part in taking the pee further? F hell, this is a group we are supposed to be training. It is the continued course that could have affected PC Grewal’s career that is an issue. She could have lost her job. If she is able to do her job why continue to take the pee, as a big group, outnumbering her?

Let’s just take an example of how taking the pee out of the colour Black can continue for some time. What happens when you say to a Senior boss, I’m not happy with this, you might actually be putting the community and our colleagues at risk because of your misinterpretation of the manner in which you want to implement race relations legislation. Firstly, these are the sort of actions some managers take:

(1) They speak to one another about you, undermining you. They certainly are not honest with you as to what they discuss when they speak about you to others.

(2) They may even speak to your bosses; this might undermine you further.

(3) All of this may take place outside of your hearing and attention. And you know something isn’t quite right.

(4) Then you say something else to help them. But they don’t like you. They repeat actions (1) to (3) continuously.

(5) At a meeting of the Police Authority you advise the Police Authority that actually they should be monitoring the manner in which the Force have implemented legislation and the senior HR person then undermines you at the time to the Federation by dissing you. The Diversity flagship are allegedly present. Not that you feel alone or anything; but it’s like a big party and your not welcome.

(6) The HR person then writes to you in an aggressive and what some may conclude is a threatening manner.

(7)  And all the time they are repeating actions (1) to (3).

(8) They even then say to you that actually your views are not representative of the BPA. That’s cool really because there are some BPA members that only come to the BPA when they need support. Other than that they remain hidden. Who would want to represent those with no views? Of course you can’t represent everyone, but you do represent the difference between right and wrong. Come on, does the Federation represent the views of all it’s members, or does it represent the views of the JBB, which actually might be to different to the voice of some members. And Chiefsy, when he or she is leading, does he/she do what his /her officers want? Or does he/she do what he/she believes to be right?

(9) And then finally in the past they used other incompetent Black people to oust you from any position of influence; this time they oust you by other means. Remember all the time, they repeat steps (1) to (3). Now based on this, would you actually have trust and confidence in any of these senior people? We wouldn’t. Assuming the fact that you are correct, what given them the right to treat you badly simply because their understanding is poor and based on their experiences; and in their experiences there is no radar for racism.

(10) If then, you have consistently, on at least 2 occasions, not been handed figures form the Diversity flagship, what then? Clearly that is not about ignoring you is it?

Now, our point is this; blowing off someone arms and legs in a war zone is bad news. Stressedoutcop will hopefully tell you that causing mental hurt and distress is different. You just don’t expect your lot to blow you up when you are being honest with them so that actually we can do better. The issue of awards to armed services personnel that are injured is different. We cannot and should not compare mental anguish and physical loss unless we are prepared to say both are wrong. In the case of PC Grewal, if the trainer was our of order, and had over stepped the mark, then deal with him/her, move on, and try and ensure this doesn’t happen again. Building camaraderie and bullying; there’s a fine line isn’t there?

The original post can be found http://twining.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/the-case-of-pc-grewal/

There’s no such thing as a caution

written by PC Bloggs from PC Bloggs - a Twenty-first Century Police Officer

(By the way, you can read an interview with me in The Sun today. Haven't seen the print version yet so it might be longer.)

One of the greatest calamities brought on by the
National Crime Recording Standards is that it has utterly deprived police of discretion, especially in cases involving children. This week I was standing in custody looking at the "whiteboard" (the board showing prisoners details) and was amazed to discover that ten of the twenty prisoners were juveniles, most aged 13-14. Custody was swamped with crying/shouting/sullen teenagers and their crying/shouting/sullen parents. Most of them had never been arrested before and were there for shoplifting or criminal damage.

As the kids and parents paraded past me, variously claiming their angel wouldn't hurt a fly/their little rascal was going to get it when he got home, they had to duck out of the way of Kenneth Wilkins, a nasty convicted rapist here on suspicion of trying to kidnap a woman and having to be taken everywhere in the company of two gaolers. In the holding area were four coke-ridden burglars demanding to see the doctor, and from the cell-block a variety of screams, howls and crashes as the who's who of Blandmore's under-class performed their weekly cabaret-in-search-of-acquittal. Not surprisingly, a lot of the kids were pretty scared.

Don't get me wrong, Jason Rogers and Luke Durning were in custody too - they're 15, require Social Services to represent them because their parents are sick of spending the entire evening in custody, and this is their fourth arrest this month for theft from motor vehicle. They weren't scared.

But the regular kids probably shouldn't be here, their parents and the custody sergeants know it. They get interviewed, admit their various crimes, and get bailed off to receive youth reprimands or warnings (ie they have to return to the station another day to get a lecture from someone qualified in telling off kids). Rogers and Durning deny everything, and the case is dropped because a granule of glass was seized from the wrong part of the window they broke into.

Never mind the farce that is adult cautions. NCRS has meant that we can no longer attend a crime and write it off with the words "advice has been given to all parties". * If there is a suspect, for any offence no matter how minuscule, we are expected to arrest them, log their fingerprints and DNA, and "dispose" of them in such a manner that it causes a detection for the superintendent's monthly figures. Many adults unused to the criminal justice system believe that if they cooperate, everything will be all right. In fact if they cooperate they receive a Caution, supposedly a warning that drops straight off your record and has no effect on your life.

Wrong. A police caution can and will stop you getting jobs, travelling abroad or being involved with children. Even a common assault where you've had a scuffle with your adult brother can preclude you from a job as a teacher, police officer, or even taxi driver.

The result, the criminalisation of a vast tract of society who should never have seen the inside of a police cell. While the real crooks play the system with their entourage of Mr and Mrs Loopholes, and walk out laughing.


* For a fuller explanation of this, see here.

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The original post can be found http://pcbloggs.blogspot.com/2009/07/theres-no-such-thing-as-caution.html

Arse about Face

written by 200 from 200 Weeks

Amandeep Kaur Grewal is a female Sikh officer with the Met. She is set to be awarded a five-figure sum (£10,000 – £99,000) for hurt to her feelings after the Met were found guilty of racial & religious discrimination during her training period at Hendon. She claimed that some of her fellow recruits behaved in a ‘less than friendly way towards her’.

She is currently serving as a PC in the Met, I therefore assume that this behaviour has not caused her so much stress as to never be able to work again. An arm didn’t fall off as a result of her treatment & clearly she didn’t die.

Compare & contrast with Corporal Anthony Duncan who was shot in Iraq in 2005. He underwent 11 operations, took two years to recuperate & has one leg shorter than the other. He, also, is back working at his old job & is currently serving in Afghanistan. He was awarded a four figure sum (£9,250) but succeeded at a tribunal in getting his compensation raised to £46,000.

The government are currently appealing in an effort to reduce the amount of compensation Cpl Duncan & another soldier have been awarded.

As usual, having your limbs blown off in a war zone is harder to get decent compensation than having to put up with some playground taunting.

The original post can be found http://200weeks.police999.com/archives/1790

Dulce Et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori

written by The Duty Sgt from The Duty Sgt



Whilst dropping Mrs Duty Sgt off outside an establishment that takes peoples money off them, allows them to get very drunk and excited and then throws them out on the street again for me to deal with (aka 'a pub') I was listening to radio one and was appaled to hear that the MOD is attempting to take to injured soldiers to court to reduce the amount of compensation they have been paid for injuries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8172738.stm

One concerned citizen commented words to the effect of "they knew what may happen when they signed up, the compensation culture has to stop." I'm sure that this person has never faced the wrong end of a loaded firearm or been taken away from friends and family at short notice and spent six months of their life living in appalling conditions with unsuitable equipment. People who serve their country don't want to be hurt, or injured so badly they have to leave the job they love. If the worst happens though they want to know they will be looked after in treatment, assistance and if its needed money.


The government wants to do the same for the Police also. Eight officers have died 'on duty' so far this year, four of those eight died whilst travelling to or from work. Currently this counts as being 'on duty' for pension purposes. I don't want to be driving home at 4am after a long shift tired through overtime but its part of my job and I do it. If i come across something on my way home ill stop and assit. If the unfortunate happens I want to make sure my family are looked after. The government wants to change this so officers don't count as being on duty so the payouts are reduced.
Yes, the military, Police, Fire and Ambulance all know that their job entails danger and we volunteer and sign on the dotted line. Some people may consider our conditions of service generous pay, overtime and pensions, in some cases it is but we do a unique job and were the ones running towards the danger as MOPs run away from it. In return we expect help if the worst happens and we are killed or injured.

The original post can be found http://thedutysgt.blogspot.com/2009/07/dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori.html